You dropped this comment at the end of your article, "But I want to manage the algorithm. Not have the algorithm manipulate me." and I'd love to know more about what you mean by it. What kind of algorithms are you referring to? Computer or something else? My curiosity is piqued.
Great question, Rick. We should all understand how algorithms collect and use the information that is guiding our behaviours. I am particularly concerned about the computer based algorithms that end up manipulating young children and adults.
I guess we have always been "managed". But in the past it was a little more transparent or traceable. Now we get funneled into tranches of "people like us" and there is less opportunity to cross-pollinate ideas.
I think creativity happens when we are exposed to ideas we were not already considering.
I suspect I've confused the Instagram, Spotify, YouTube, Twitter and LinkedIn algorithms at present by liking and commenting on a variety of topics from WoP writers, WiC writers and following my kids' interests.
Ok, I see what you mean now. And it does seem like it takes intentional engagement outside of the tranches to keep the algorithms guessing—and to keep ourselves expanding and growing! I guess the reason I asked is because we all have our own internal programming as well, our own personal algorithms, that define the way we box ourselves in and maintain old limits based on our conditioning. That's a whole other layer of algorithm battle that very much interests me, along with the layer you are describing.
Welcome to the Opera Club, and thank you for spreading the gospel of opera! As you know, I've studied Wagner's works intensively in the past, and yet still, nowadays, from time to time, when I open a score, be it Ring Cycle or Parsifal or others, I ALWAYS find something I've not discovered before. His opus is a treasure onto humanity.
Ah yes... Music sure isn't my thing. Sadly. Since one of Goa's top maestros in the early 70's told my mother (who'd stuck us with him for weekly music classes - yeah - sheet music, reading, singing, etc - expecting us to do something in life with it, poor dear and more so, keep outta mischief.... ) that "your two sons will probably do many things in life - but sadly, Music sure isn't going to one of those things... " :-D That kinda did it for me. And now, while I can appreciate most kinda music, it's limited to background music I listen to while driving and not much else. So yeah...
But the algorithms etc - that's my area. Yes. And while I never ever did think of connecting music to the other controlling forces that surround us, more-so-today than anytime else. It's indeed an interesting perspective. Thanx for that.
I get the greatest thrill outta thwarting the computer based algorithms that're trying to decipher me., understand me and to force me into a box or think in a certain way or down a certain path. It's real fun trust me...
I think in the end, it's about being human., being unpredictable and being (more than just) a little crazy too.... Yes? I'm sure not many on here would agree with me. But here's a thought for when you do feel a bit controlled or managed or forced into thoughts and situations by anything (or everything) around you...
'The people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do'. - t'was Steve Jobs that said that... But trust me it's something I've believed in all along.
So cool to see what this became! I first got exposed to this idea in freshmen year high school algebra, of all places, when my teacher--who was also the orchestra director--heard someone in the class listening to My Humps by the Black Eyed Peas. When the part came on where the guy goes, “she’s got me spendin,” my teacher laughed and showed us how it’s a leitmotif for longing that the songwriter probably borrowed from a very old Catholic hymn called My Soul is Thirsting. Then he played it for us and sure enough the part where the singer goes “my soul is thirsting” was the exact same riff, note for note: https://youtu.be/SiMERkzUiwY
This was fantastic! I'm coming back to reread this and take in all that you've packed in. While I've never seriously listened to orchestras in the past, I now have a great reason to. Thanks for introducing Wagner's work to me. :)
You dropped this comment at the end of your article, "But I want to manage the algorithm. Not have the algorithm manipulate me." and I'd love to know more about what you mean by it. What kind of algorithms are you referring to? Computer or something else? My curiosity is piqued.
Great question, Rick. We should all understand how algorithms collect and use the information that is guiding our behaviours. I am particularly concerned about the computer based algorithms that end up manipulating young children and adults.
I guess we have always been "managed". But in the past it was a little more transparent or traceable. Now we get funneled into tranches of "people like us" and there is less opportunity to cross-pollinate ideas.
I think creativity happens when we are exposed to ideas we were not already considering.
I suspect I've confused the Instagram, Spotify, YouTube, Twitter and LinkedIn algorithms at present by liking and commenting on a variety of topics from WoP writers, WiC writers and following my kids' interests.
Ok, I see what you mean now. And it does seem like it takes intentional engagement outside of the tranches to keep the algorithms guessing—and to keep ourselves expanding and growing! I guess the reason I asked is because we all have our own internal programming as well, our own personal algorithms, that define the way we box ourselves in and maintain old limits based on our conditioning. That's a whole other layer of algorithm battle that very much interests me, along with the layer you are describing.
This sounds like an idea worth exploring, Rick. See you in sparring gym?
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Welcome to the Opera Club, and thank you for spreading the gospel of opera! As you know, I've studied Wagner's works intensively in the past, and yet still, nowadays, from time to time, when I open a score, be it Ring Cycle or Parsifal or others, I ALWAYS find something I've not discovered before. His opus is a treasure onto humanity.
Your edition 24 is the inspiration for this essay, Helen (I had to chop the essay in 2, so you get credit in part II!)
This is such a great honor that I feel totally unworthy. Thank you Karena! ♥️ I really appreciate your kind words and encouragement!
Karena, you crushed this essay. You pulled it all together so beautifully. Awesome, awesome job!! :)
Ah yes... Music sure isn't my thing. Sadly. Since one of Goa's top maestros in the early 70's told my mother (who'd stuck us with him for weekly music classes - yeah - sheet music, reading, singing, etc - expecting us to do something in life with it, poor dear and more so, keep outta mischief.... ) that "your two sons will probably do many things in life - but sadly, Music sure isn't going to one of those things... " :-D That kinda did it for me. And now, while I can appreciate most kinda music, it's limited to background music I listen to while driving and not much else. So yeah...
But the algorithms etc - that's my area. Yes. And while I never ever did think of connecting music to the other controlling forces that surround us, more-so-today than anytime else. It's indeed an interesting perspective. Thanx for that.
I get the greatest thrill outta thwarting the computer based algorithms that're trying to decipher me., understand me and to force me into a box or think in a certain way or down a certain path. It's real fun trust me...
I think in the end, it's about being human., being unpredictable and being (more than just) a little crazy too.... Yes? I'm sure not many on here would agree with me. But here's a thought for when you do feel a bit controlled or managed or forced into thoughts and situations by anything (or everything) around you...
'The people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do'. - t'was Steve Jobs that said that... But trust me it's something I've believed in all along.
"manage the metaphors" Besides all your other forms of adulation - BRILLIANT thinker and writer!
You are too generous, Joann. I'm glad that the idea is of interest.
So cool to see what this became! I first got exposed to this idea in freshmen year high school algebra, of all places, when my teacher--who was also the orchestra director--heard someone in the class listening to My Humps by the Black Eyed Peas. When the part came on where the guy goes, “she’s got me spendin,” my teacher laughed and showed us how it’s a leitmotif for longing that the songwriter probably borrowed from a very old Catholic hymn called My Soul is Thirsting. Then he played it for us and sure enough the part where the singer goes “my soul is thirsting” was the exact same riff, note for note: https://youtu.be/SiMERkzUiwY
PS Thanks for the class, Charlie, for introducing me to reverse outlining and for the Noob essay that inspired this edition.
Love that. I played the YouTube, and went to spotify for black eyed peas ... and yes right there!
And now you have me thinking of all the sampling my son is doing as a DJ.
"Once you see it" ...
This was fantastic! I'm coming back to reread this and take in all that you've packed in. While I've never seriously listened to orchestras in the past, I now have a great reason to. Thanks for introducing Wagner's work to me. :)
(As you will see in part II of this saga, Sairam, I'm not a big fan of Wagner!) But I learned something powerful through this experience.
:-D